I find it flattering that the last few days worth of info was tagged
to my last post, yet I was not invoked. May be a Usenet glitch, but
none-the-less....
So, as I iterated, then reiterated, a comparison of the two bands is
subjective. They took different approaches to music. Both did what
they did as best they could. One proved more popular to the 'Masses'
than the other, but that does not nullify the achievements of the other.
Both tried to innovate with varying success. NO's growing inclusion
of, and consequential dependance on, synthetic riffs and percussion
cut a large part of their audience out. DM's attempts at adding guitars
and natural percussion did the same. Both exhibit exceptional song-
writing abilities, though NO's tend to be more obscure in the meaning.
And that's where most of their fan's allegience lies. It's not so much
about who played what instrument better, but about how the lyrics
meshed with the music and how it made you feel. Bernard's near-
monotonic cacophony melded with the basslines well, as did
Gahan's tremolo mesh with DM's melodies.
So, as I said... neither is 'better' than the other... they're different.
When I'm feeling nostalgic, yet melancholy, I spin-up the New Order
discs, and when I want a bit of bounce to bring me out of the darkness,
I queue D'mode. I find both to be influential to my musical style, though
most of will not encounter my work.
So, if you're feeling extraordinary and something's got a hold on you but
you're needing a black celebration tonight so you can dream on, just
remember, your own personal jesus is waiting to give you a perfect kiss.
This may be some form of sub-culture, but you can shake the disease left
from suffering a blue monday. It just takes a little confusion to mesh with
somebody so you can learn that every little counts, no, everything counts,
then it's time for a new life. Praise some little 15 and do some crystal.
In the end you'll know who's the master and servant. It really is a
bizzare love triangle when you're trying to get the balance right.
Well, guess I've lost control again. But I'm flexible....
Good thing I've got camoflauge.
Post by AJ WellsPost by paleophilePost by AJ WellsPost by maveNew York Times??? New York Fucking Times???? Well if they didn't like
DM then they *must* have been crap, huh? Can't argue with the
towering monolith of musical taste that is the New York Times...
jesus
Actually the Wall Street Journal had one of the best articles about
Joy Division around the time of Unknown Pleasures release... dont put
it down just because a publication uses words that you havent heard
before...
Oh, come the fuck on! As if you've demonstrated any considerable
command
Post by AJ Wellsof
Post by paleophileEnglish with your collection of tripe arbitrarily concatenated by ellipses
at irregular intervals. What a bunch of shite. Come back when you've
taken
Post by paleophileand passed some basic English classes at your local community college and
maybe your insults will do more than tickle and amuse.
Post by AJ WellsPost by maveone man's 'trapped, stinging sense of otherness' is another man's
'over-wrought, emotionally stagnant sense of having heard it all
before'
(laughing) I do love this twit...
I think you must be the first person ever to describe NO's vital
early to mid period as "stagnant"... and I mean ever!
Wrong, dumbass. He was describing the ENTIRETY of NO's body of work as
"stagnant". Leave it to somebody with both a poor and selective reading
comprehension as yours to put it that way.
Ah thats even more ignorant then... of course you can claim that important
music and art isnt your cup of tea, but when you dismiss it entirely it says
far more about your ignorance than it does about the music... and this
poster is mighty, mighty ignorant eh kids?
Post by paleophilePost by AJ WellsPost by mavePost by AJ WellsBy the way where were you in 1981?
What the fuck's that got to do with anything? What is this? "I've
been into pop music longer than you, so my opinion beats yours"???
It has plenty to do with perceiving pop music (or pop culture) in the
context in which it was made...
<snip another paragraph loosely concatenated with more ellipses>
...which you've ALSO never made clear how it was relevant to this
discussion! But the way your thinking goes is pretty much: "hey, if I can
throw some smart-sounding BS out there about appreciating music in its
concurrent context, even if I haven't made clear how it's relevant to the
discussion, I'll look like a real winner! I'm such a kewl and experienced
music appreciation guy!!"
Um we still dont know where you were in 1981... and you didnt say anything
about the aspects of pop culture that the class was discussing... if you
want relevance, bring some along yerself
Post by paleophilePost by AJ WellsPost by mavePlease take the time to reconsider your posts before embarrassing
yourself like this again. On second thoughts, don't. Feel free to go
ahead and make as big a cock of yourself as you can, I could do with
the laughs.
(laughing) hey kids, do yourselves a favor and just do a little research
before you come to class... its so easy to look up the history of this
particular teachers classes, and they have been held a number of times
before... complete with the occasional rant of the clueless who later
realize which end of the pool they have found themselves in... do yourself a
favor and just do a little learning and thinking before shooting off your
fingers...
Ajw